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Re: Middlesbrough bottom of the list yet again
by Rockliffe_Rover »
What this town really needs is regime change. A Labour Council can't 'cosy up' to a Tory/Libdem government and we are, as the article spells out, dependent upon state support.

If we had a LibDem or Independent (because I could never see Middlesbrough voting in the Tories) council, we would be better placed to ask for the support we need to ween ourselves off state support. The reason that we are dependent on the state is because we keep voting 'socialist'. I believe that this makes us 'unattractive' to private employers. Once upon a time, the message that voting Labour sent out was that we are strong, proud, industrious, ready to work hard. It was the party of the working man. But that has all changed with the last Labour administration. Voting Labour now sends out the message that we don't want to work, we want to be reliant upon benefits and, if a private sector employer does come here, then we will make life difficult for them via union involvement and interference. I'm not completely anti-union, I've been a member of a few in the past, even been involved in the introduction ofunions into a former employer, but we have to realise that the old images of burning braziers and picket lines at the steelworks, the mines, the shipyards, still give out this message that the North East is a proud workforce ready to walk out at the drop of a fag-break. We need to change this image. We need to show the government that Teesside is ready to throw off the socialist shackles that are holding it back, we are ready to stop relying on state handouts, we are ready to work hard as long as the deal is fair.

But, alas, I dont think that Teesside is ready. Decades of socialist indoctrination, of the get-it-all-for-free benefit system, has bred a generation of lazy people that seem to think the world owes them a living, that they are all supremely qualified to walk into top jobs because the system has been diluted so much that now, everyone has 10gcses and no-one has ever given the young the reality check that nobody is brilliant at everything.

Maybe, if we give a capitalist or more likely, a middle-of-the-road regime a chance, and our support, they will return the favour. Break the cycle of voting Labour and suffering the consequences. At some point, the people of Middlesbrough need to stop bleating on about how bad their lot is and try something different to change it. If we want to move forward, away from state dependency and become a thriving business community again, we need to change at a much deeper level than just trying to attract 'newer' industries with fancy galleries and p.ointless 'artworks'. Even these show potential employers that we are reliant upon the state to try to bring in new investment.

MBC is like a desperate mother, begging anyone and everyone to give their lazy kid a job but nobody is willing. The child is spoiled and has been reliant upon mummy for far too long and, unless the child changes, mummy changes or both change, the child will remain unemployable. And therein lies the problem. Unlike a real parent / child relationship, the child has the opportunity to 'change' the mother. The mother will not change itself. But why would the child change from a mother that spoils it?

The article states that the Experian survey sees Elmbridge in Surrey as the most resilient to the coming cutbacks as it is seen as the most 'entrepreneurial' area.

Take a look at the political 'make-up' of Elmbridge Borough Council here:

http://www.elmbridge.gov.uk/committees/councillors.htm

St Albans City & District came second in the survey and they also topped the 'business resilience' part of the survey. Their councillors can be found here:

http://stalbans.moderngov.co.uk/mgMembe ... LIST&PIC=0

Notice anything about the political make-up of these two councils? Little or no Labour representation!

Then look at how the councils of R&C, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Sunderland and other North East areas quoted in the bottom 20 'least resilient' are made up.

This isn't a coincidence and lets not forget that these cuts are being made across the country. It's not that Labour controlled areas are being targetted, just that they are less able to deal with them because these areas have been more state reliant in the past.

To paraphrase an old Conservative advertising campaign, cleary 'New Labour Isn't Working'.
"I dont make predictions and I never will" - Tony Blair.

Re: Middlesbrough bottom of the list yet again
by browser »
Hi Anth - To be fair other local authorities not that far behind in this category-
Clipped
Middlesbrough is the least resilient council area overall at 324 with Redcar and Cleveland and Hartlepool just above it at 319 and 316 respectively.

Darlington is further up the list at 260 and Stockton at 252.

The research does not show the areas which will suffer the greatest amount of public sector cuts..........
Researchers found high levels of claimants in the town, low life expectancy and poor social cohesion.
It also suffered from the highest crime rates in the region. comparatively low house prices, and a lack of green spaces.

Redcar and Cleveland and Hartlepool are also in the bottom three for business.

However they are all well off the bottom spots in the people category, although Middlesbrough is placed low again in the place category.

There are some positives though. Stockton and Middlesbrough fare better in terms of the number of companies in growth sectors

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-11141603

I can't wait to see the letters page tonight as far as Redcar is concerned.
Will it be Council Leader Cllr George R Dunning or

Cllr Mark Hannon Cabinet Member for Economic Development or can we expect the usual

"I am in denial Crime figures down" from Cabinet Member Dave McLuckie chair of Cleveland Police Authority?

"COUNCILLORS LETTERS IN THE GAZETTE" Mk 2
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Does Mbro Council Really Need a CEO Double Act ?
by WONDERWOMAN »

School Heads on over £200k are hitting the headlines this week. Closer to home, looking at Middlesbrough Council appointed their latest CEO on over £140,000 and then created a new post, Assistant Chief Executive on approx £70,000. The Middlesbrough CEO salary alone is more than that of the Prime Minister!

Why wasn't a CEO appointed who could do the job himself.......MBC have managed with just the one before....... Or was this a case of jobs for the boys?

No need to close the Creches if we had just the one.......why the need for a double act?

What is actually going o down in that TH... ... I thought their purpose was to serve the people of Middlesbrough not themselves?
The best method for estimating a ruler is to look at the men he has around him... Niccolo Machiavelli
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Re: Middlesbrough Council Policy on Untaxed Cars
by Hearditallbefore »

I'm really not sure if there is a different game on this story but it looks like it as it keeps reappearing. It has been proved that the car was never untaxed, the disc was stolen and a duplicate ordered. If a tax disc is stolen the police are informed as well as dvla so the national database would have known that the car in question was always taxed. No offence of not correctly displaying was committed either as you cant display a stolen tax disc, mind you it hasnt been said when the duplicate turned up. Obviously some on here would like it to be a case of an untaxed car, why not check it out with the powers that be see what they say or if anyone knows the councillor in question maybe ask, just a thought to save a non story embarrassing anyone.
Hearditallbefore

Re: Middlesbrough Council Policy on Untaxed Cars
by DoNowt »

this may help

What if my tax disc is stolen? Can I still drive my vehicle?
No. If you do not have a tax disc, you should not use the vehicle until a replacement disc has been obtained.
If you drove the vehicle on a road without displaying a valid tax disc
then you would be committing an offence contrary to Section 33 Vehicle
Excise and Registration Act 1994.
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if
(a) he uses, or keeps, on a public road a vehicle in respect of
which vehicle excise duty is chargeable, and
(b) there is not fixed to and exhibited on the vehicle in the
manner prescribed by regulations made by the Secretary of State a
licence for, or in respect of, the vehicle which is for the time being
in force.
(2) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable
on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard
scale.

also note

failure to exhibit a tax disc IS an offence which makes it illegal to drive a vehicle without it on display.
Some police forces are especially strict about this, and even if a tax disc has been stolen
and reported as such they still won't let the victim drive their vehicle.
The offence is derived from the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (c. 22).
Not exhibiting licence
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he uses, or keeps, on a public road a vehicle in respect of which vehicle excise duty is chargeable, and
(b) there is not fixed to and exhibited on the vehicle in the manner prescribed by regulations made by the Secretary of State a licence for, or in respect of, the vehicle which is for the time being in force.
(2) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.
(3) Subsection (1)—
(a) has effect subject to the provisions of regulations made by the Secretary of State, and
(b) is without prejudice to section 29.

my own edit
maybe the above raises the question
is any poster aware of any changes in the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (c. 22). as shown above
thereby negating

What if my tax disc is stolen? Can I still drive my vehicle?
No. If you do not have a tax disc, you should not use the vehicle until a replacement disc has been obtained.
If you drove the vehicle on a road without displaying a valid tax disc
then you would be committing an offence contrary to Section 33 Vehicle
Excise and Registration Act 1994.
Last edited by DoNowt on , edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Tosha and WONDERWOMAN...where are they?
by Tosha »

Hi Bernardette,

by Bernadette » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:23 pm
What`s happened to them?

I'm still about, have you sorted your gender crisis out yet. Or the identity crisis suffered by the cuz/sister!

Tosha
Europes nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will irreversibly lead to federation DONE!!

Tosha

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Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 94
Location: Middlesbrough
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Defend Council Housing

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I am led to understand that Middlesbrough Councillor Brian Hubbard Indie formerly Labour has been barred from attending area forum meetings of Erimus. He recently was reelected in the Beckfield ward thrashing Erimus chairman Bob Brady.
I understand that Brian has been accused of negativity and diruptiveness but has asked where in the meetings minutes are these accusations? This smacks of undemocratic behaviour and must be overturned.
As a campaigner against the stock transfer of Council housing in Middlesbrough I warned about the undemocratic nature of these new organisations who are answerable to their boards and not the tenants.
http://www.defendcouncilhousing.org.uk/
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Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by B26354 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:31 am
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/media/2011/05/22

What was it Mallon was saying about protestors on thew streets in the face of evil tory cuts ?

Well it seems Middlesbrough Council has no end of monmey to spend - yet we are told, especially by Labour councillors that the cuts are evil
If this is what Middlesbrough can afford it would seem we have been lied to
What a suprise that would be
HOW much does it cost to change a lightbulb? Well, it seems more than £1,000 for one North council.

That’s the amount dim bosses at the cash-strapped local authority forked out for an art expert to jet into the region twice – to help put up then take down this string of lights at a modern art show.

Middlesbrough Council – which made £6.8m in cuts and savings earlier this year – paid £532 for an “art courier” to spend one day and night on Teesside last March to help install the Felix Gonzalez-Torres show at the town’s mima gallery – and £142 of that was for “refreshments”.The same expert returned four months later, at the end of mima’s A Certain Distance, Endless Light exhibition, “to oversee condition checking and de-installing” of a piece of art called Untitled – a string of dozens of lightbulbs suspended from the ceiling.

That two-day trip cost the public purse £529.80, meaning £1,060 was spent on the courier’s two trips.

And just seven months later Middlesbrough Council announced plans to make £52,700 of savings by slashing working hours at the Central Square-based gallery.

Charlotte Linacre, Campaign Manager at the TaxPayers’ Alliance said: “It’s increasingly difficult for local authorities to plead poverty with a straight face when they’re prepared to spend so frivolously.”

Mike Hill, regional organiser for UNISON, added: “’UNISON has consistently asked employers to review all unnecessary expenditure and waste in order to achieve efficiency savings and off set job losses and reductions in Terms and Conditions of service. This includes the use of expensive consultants, external contractors and unnecessary travel costs both within and outside the UK. In some areas we are winning the argument, but it is clear that in others the employer needs to look a little closer to home.”

The bill forms part of a whopping £316,919 spent in two years by North councils on overseas trips in which council executives have journeyed all over the globe for conferences and meetings. The Sunday Sun acquired details of all trips paid for by 11 North authorities in 2009 and 2010, using the Freedom of Information Act.

As well as spending £1,060 on flights, hotel stays and refreshments for the art courier, Middlesbrough spent £342.96 on a flight home to Prague for a “service user”.

And artistic forays abroad accounted for £7,158 of the £23,494 spent on overseas travel by Middlesbrough – 30% of the whole amount.

That includes £3,144.82 on a nine-day trip to New York for two officers for ‘acquisition and collection development’, and a further £400 on sending an officer to Dublin “to make relationships with Dublin based galleries”.

Cuts what cuts ??
B26354
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by LOOPYLOO » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:06 am
A Middlesbrough Council spokesman said: “Over the next four years we have to make savings of £50m. We have estimated that will result in the loss of between 400 and 500 posts.

“We will do everything in our power to avoid compulsory redundancies.”

A spokesman ??? Nobody prepared to be quoted on this news ??? We will do everything in our power ??? Really ??

Doesnt look like it does it
LOOPYLOO

Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by Backdraft » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:28 am
Maybe now we are seeing why MBC want to bring in an outside management company for mima.

If this happened, would such close scrutiny of expenditure still be possible under FOI? Or would it just be a case of paying someone to carry the can for their frivolity?
Backdraft
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by daveb » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:29 am
of course there are no cuts.
backdraft can't see them.
they don't affect him.
so they don't exist.

pull up the ladder; backdraft is already on the lifeboat.

daveb
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by witchfynder » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:06 pm
daveb wrote:of course there are no cuts.
backdraft can't see them.
they don't affect him.
so they don't exist.

pull up the ladder; backdraft is already on the lifeboat.
I think that Dave is quite upset that he has been shown up as a liar by Backdraft. We all knew it anyway but it was nice of Backdraft to prove it.
Dont vote! It just encourages the b.astards!
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Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by Backdraft » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:04 pm
daveb wrote:of course there are no cuts.
backdraft can't see them.
they don't affect him.
so they don't exist.

And if readers would care to take a look on the thread concerned, they'll see that I never said " they don't exist' either. I said that their impact was unnoticable. And I've quantified that by concurring in part with a quote from vft, of all people. So, more lies from Whitbys resident answer to Citizen Smith.

Now please, let's keep this thread clear of a debate being carried on elsewhere. One thread off-topic is quite enough.
Backdraft
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by B26354 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:17 pm
Backdraft wrote:Maybe now we are seeing why MBC want to bring in an outside management company for mima.

If this happened, would such close scrutiny of expenditure still be possible under FOI? Or would it just be a case of paying someone to carry the can for their frivolity?

They may try, but if MIMA still receives arts council funding the they'll be on a hiding to nothing just as they will be if public money is still funnelled to MIMA through a private company.
B26354
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by Backdraft » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:58 pm
Thanks for that. I was unsure whether private management would exempt them from FOI, which is why I asked.

So, any private management company put in charge of mima would just be an expensive scapegoat, then?
Backdraft
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by richie2007 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:27 pm
To me building the MIMA gallery is one of the few good things the council have done for Middlesbrough, in fact probably the only good thing! So i really can't understand why some on here continuosly knock it and seem obsessed with how it's funded. Are they just philistines with no appreciation of the arts and concerned only with what things cost? They seem to know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
richie2007
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by Backdraft » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:39 pm
richie,

Middlesbrough had museums and art galleries long before mima came along. And for EVERY tax-payer to have to fund it regardless of their appreciation of art / usage of the gallery seems unfair to many. I suspect that, if mima were to try to be self-sufficient and start charging admission, we would see just how much the people, and how many of the people, truly value this facility.

The OP does throw up some items for concern, regardless of from whose accounts they are extracted. Such as

"Middlesbrough spent £342.96 on a flight home to Prague for a “service user”."
What is and, specifically, who is a 'service user'? The ambiguity in the title immediately raises suspicions, whether or not they are unfounded.
Backdraft
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by richie2007 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:48 pm
Just out of interest do the other museums and galleries recieve subsidies? I think subsidising the arts seems to be the norm rather than the exception all over the country.
richie2007
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by imagica » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:52 pm
Backdraft wrote:
daveb wrote:of course there are no cuts.
backdraft can't see them.
they don't affect him.
so they don't exist.

And if readers would care to take a look on the thread concerned, they'll see that I never said " they don't exist' either. I said that their impact was unnoticable. And I've quantified that by concurring in part with a quote from vft, of all people. So, more lies from Whitbys resident answer to Citizen Smith.

Now please, let's keep this thread clear of a debate being carried on elsewhere. One thread off-topic is quite enough.

And those same readers may also notice that you said.....
Backdraft wrote:
And I wouldn't now give a monkeys if MBC cut the public transport subsidy as I'm self-sufficient......
In other words ''I'm alright, Jack, f*** everyone else.

Apologies for being off topic.
imagica
Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by PredatorDrone » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:24 pm
Or put another way if you were the bus company owner you would provide a service irrespective
I reckon you would have a completely different viewpoint

Dont forget they are as Dave describes them - - -parasites and thus should not be allowed to show a profit on investment but happily run at a loss until they go bust - - pretty much like the last Labour government
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Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by witchfynder » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:04 am
imagica wrote:
Backdraft wrote:
daveb wrote:of course there are no cuts.
backdraft can't see them.
they don't affect him.
so they don't exist.

And if readers would care to take a look on the thread concerned, they'll see that I never said " they don't exist' either. I said that their impact was unnoticable. And I've quantified that by concurring in part with a quote from vft, of all people. So, more lies from Whitbys resident answer to Citizen Smith.

Now please, let's keep this thread clear of a debate being carried on elsewhere. One thread off-topic is quite enough.

And those same readers may also notice that you said.....
Backdraft wrote:
And I wouldn't now give a monkeys if MBC cut the public transport subsidy as I'm self-sufficient......
In other words ''I'm alright, Jack, f*** everyone else.

Apologies for being off topic.

No in my personal view, it would be why should i fund your lifestyle choice? You chose not to work hard at school and now you must suffer the consequences.

I used that example on my nephew and it has certainly paid dividends. He was playing up at school so i drove him around Middlesbrough showing him the sink estates like Berwick Hills, Ormesby, Thorntree, Pallister Park etc and said quite clearly to him do you want a good life and a nice house in country or do you want this $hit existence (as i pointed out of the car window)?

A grade only student now.
Dont vote! It just encourages the b.astards!
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Re: Middlesbrough Council lashing out the cash
by B26354 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:56 am
Backdraft wrote:Thanks for that. I was unsure whether private management would exempt them from FOI, which is why I asked.

So, any private management company put in charge of mima would just be an expensive scapegoat, then?

If the private management company receives puiblic funding to maintain or operate a service, that service and its provisions including the use of the funding is subject to FOI, whilst the company's other interests/holdings/business would not be.

Bell originally suggested MPs expenses overseen by a private company - he claimed it would be a better option, the suspicion was to keep it out of the public gaze by taking MP's alloances and expenses out of the public view of FOI - once it was stated this would not be the case, I am sure co-incidentally , Bell dropped the idea
B26354

Middlesbrough Council's £3.8million senior manageent cost
by StGeorge1 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:14 pm
Teesside’s Labour Group lead 4 councils levels of extreme generosity to their respective directors
& senior management- 2009-2010...
Time to demand sacking of Chief Execs for not stopping council abuses of public monies & continually ignoring
the ‘peoples’ wishes.
Here we have 191 senior council employees costing the taxpayers of Teesside £14,218.923
And 210 councillors costing the taxpayers of Teesside £2,725,280

Middlesbrough Council Directors

Chief Executive………………………………………...Ian Parker……………Salary.£142,650.…….=.£2740 per week
Executive Director of Social Care …………………..Mike Robinson ………Salary.£113,484.……=.£2180 per week
Executive Director of Environment……..…………...Gill Rollings..…………Salary.£113,484.……=.£2075 per week
Executive Director of Regeneration………………….Kevin Parkes .……….Salary.£108,81.……..=.£2075 per week
Assistant Chief Executive…………………………….Karen Whitmore……..Salary.£80,000.……..=.£1540 per week
Director of Strategic Resources……………………...Paul Slocombe………Salary.£90,000.……..=.£1730 per week
Director of Human Resources………………………..Linda Maughan………Salary.£85,000.……..=.£1630 per week
Director of Legal Services…………………………….Richard Long…………Salary.£85,000.……..=.£1630 per week
Deputy Director of Achievement…………………….…………….................Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Deputy Director of Safeguarding……………………………….....................Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Assistant Director Of Resources………………………………....................Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Leader of Community Protection………………………….…………………...Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Leader of Streetscene………………………………..........………………......Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Leader of Transport………………………………..............………………......Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Leader of Mental Health ………………………………......…………………...Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Leader of Older People………………………………........…………………...Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Leader of Planning………………………………...............…………….........Salary.£75,000.……..=.£1440 per week
Assistant Director of Childrens Trust…………………………………............Salary.£70,000.……..=.£1345 per week
Leader of Development……………………………….........…………….........Salary.£70,000.……..=.£1345 per week
Director of Museums………………………………..........………………........Salary.£63,580.……..=.£1220 per week
Unnamed 35 others on 5 figure salaries between …£50,000 & £65,000.……..=….£1,999,000
……………………….………………………………......................................Totals.£3,770,129 for just 55 employees
StGeorge1
Re: Middlesbrough Council's £3.8million senior manageent cost
by Rockliffe_Rover » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:33 pm
Before we get into debating the numbers, can anyone tell me what a Deputy Director of Achievement does to earn £75,000?

In fact, can anyone just tell me what a Deputy Director of Achievement does, end of?
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Re: Middlesbrough Council's £3.8million senior manageent cost
by Rockliffe_Rover » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:03 pm
To answer my own question, I found this.

http://www.gatenbysanderson.com/.../Letter+fro ... vement.pdf

Its a pdf of a covering letter to those applying for the post, from 2008. Lots of spinny-ballacks and trendy buzz words.

The short answer to my own question is, IMO, 'jump through hoops'.
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Re: Middlesbrough Council's £3.8million senior manageent cost
by richie2007 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:09 pm
"4 councils levels of extreme generosity to their respective directors"

Council chief executives earned an average of £147,934 last year.

http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/201 ... e-than-pm/

Middlesbroughs Chief Executive earned less than average so just how is that, 'extreme generosity'?

The Chief Executive in London Borough of Wandsworth was paid, £299,925, now that's generous!
richie2007
Re: Middlesbrough Council's £3.8million senior manageent cost
by JohnR » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:53 pm
Does anybody know the definitive answer to a simple question?

Who decides council executives' salaries?

Clearly not the government because they are unhappy. Somebody wrote that it isn't councillors either and wasn't a recent council motion to cut CEO pay somewhere rejected on the grounds that councillors do not have that power? So do they just decide between themselves what to pay each other?
You don't have to be disagreeable in order to disagree.

JohnR
Re: Middlesbrough Council's £3.8million senior manageent cost
by PredatorDrone » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:19 pm
Q. Who decides what the going rate is for such positions?
Northampton example

A. The Chief Executive of a local council is appointed by that council through its Personnel Committee; this committee is supported in the recruitment **** the council’s HR department and any external agencies asked that specialise in recruitment to senior positions in both public and private sectors. The effective leadership review undertaken by Northamptonshire County Council in March 2008 put in place a reduced pay policy for the role of the Chief Executive. Before The Chief Executive’s appointment the pay scale was determined along a private sector pay policy which produced higher scales. Since March 2008 however, a new framework tying the Chief Executive’s salary to equivalent public sector policy has lead to a lower pay scale now being in place.
The salary levels of senior jobs within the Council are subject to advice from an independent external body at Northamptonshire. The County Council uses a company called Hay who advise on salary levels, grading of roles/responsibilities and their comparability to ensure that the Council remains competitive within the market to be able to recruit the best for Northamptonshire. For guidance on setting Chief Executive pay, advice and direction was sought from the National Employers Organisation, and the salary level was set within the parameters of the advice received at the time of making the appointment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E56GkLF37Q example
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Re: New Forum
by Bowen » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:49 pm
Donowt - it certanly does not look that way at the moment.
Bowen
Re: New Forum
by Bowen » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:13 pm
kitten - don't know where you got the idea that the new Forum was only about MBC - because it's not.
Bowen
Re: New Forum
by valiantfortruth » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:22 pm
I think its title "Middlesbrough Council News" might be a bit of a clue.
valiantfortruth

Re: New Forum
by Tennispro » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:32 pm
Bowen wrote:kitten - don't know where you got the idea that the new Forum was only about MBC - because it's not.
Midddlesbrough council news forum is not just about Middlesbrough council

It doesn't get any dafter than this!..... Genius!!!!!
The BNP are Racist thugs and some old men should know better!

Tennispro

Re: New Forum
by akadave » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:37 pm
Sara79 wrote:The problem with private forums... ...but unless there is some strong tie between members...
does all being the same person count?

akadave

Re: New Forum
by Bowen » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:45 pm
Tennispro - that's correct it is not just about MBC - by George he's got it - late but what the hell.
Now what was it you said to me a few hours ago - you will stop the *** for tat if I do? Well now, my answer to you can only be - does a leopard change it' spots. Why not take a sensibe approach ( difficult for you I know but you can have a go) look at the forum and read the topics. You might even pluck up enough courage to post a comment or two.
Bowen

Re: New Forum
by Tennispro » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:50 pm
Yes. ... i asked you to stop the ti't for tat and you never replied..
The BNP are Racist thugs and some old men should know better!

Tennispro

Re: New Forum
by alb » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:53 pm
Probably because she had logged off,unlike you, some are not on here all of the hours god sends.
Cannon street,lest we forget.
http://www.newportmiddlesbrough.co.uk/

alb

Re: New Forum
by Bowen » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:59 pm
Tennispro - see if you can work out why I did not bother to reply to that particular question? It's not too taxing for you surely? I have given you a clue already - leopard - spots - there is a clue in there somewhere for you - honest. You have developed being rude to me into a fine art and I find the best way to deal with the likes of you is to simply let them get on with it, sit back and smile - a smile with indicates nothing less than pity. The only people who appreciate your type - are similar types and they gravitate. All you do is show yourself up for what you are. Go Tennispro go.
Bowen
Re: New Forum
by Tennispro » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:06 pm
Dear god, your hopeless!
The BNP are Racist thugs and some old men should know better!

Tennispro

Re: New Forum
by DoNowt » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:26 pm
middlesbrough-council.com/forum
ah the name gives it away it's a forum run by middlesbrough council dot com
does that mean it's local Cllrs chatting Cllr type things
all polite n proper
If you arent part of the solution, then there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
she's behind you “She who angers you conquers you." - Elizabeth Kenny
what I want is fairness they're not being fair because they won't listen
DoNowt

Re: New Forum
by akadave » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:36 pm
this is a bit of a puzzle.

a multi poster who moaned that others from middlesbrough council were posting on here decides that to get away from them she joins a middlesbrough council forum?

might as well become a councillor and talk to them personally.

edit. sorry, should check first.
not a middlesbrough council site, just a moan about middlesbrough council site.
didn't someone say tosha was not on it?
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Re: New Forum
by kittenk42 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:46 pm
Bowen wrote:Here is the link for the new Form which has caused so much upset for one or two on here.
http/middlesbrough-council.com/forum/index.php
Is this the new Forum Bowen???
With the qualities of cleanliness, affection, patience, dignity, and courage that cats have, how many of us, I ask you, would be capable of becoming cats?"
- Fernand Mery
kittenk42

Re: New Forum
by DoNowt » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:47 pm
is the mist clearing
are you infering this other forum is run by Middlesbrough Cllrs in a pre election for next May attack board
the intrigue is deepening by the day
just how deep can Middlesbrough Cllrs get Middlesbrough in it
there's a thought you gotta be in it to win it
and up to now they've won all the best awards
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If you arent part of the solution, then there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
she's behind you “She who angers you conquers you." - Elizabeth Kenny
what I want is fairness they're not being fair because they won't listen
DoNowt

Re: New Forum
by kittenk42 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:57 pm
Bowen wrote:kitten - don't know where you got the idea that the new Forum was only about MBC - because it's not.

Is that a joke Bowen, only.... you didn't put a smiley at the end so I'm not sure................thing is, if I opened a Forum called "siamese cat's are us", it wouldnt really be the first place that you would go to discuss a love of Rotweillers, would it??? Just a thought
With the qualities of cleanliness, affection, patience, dignity, and courage that cats have, how many of us, I ask you, would be capable of becoming cats?"
- Fernand Mery

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Why did Middlesbrough Council sell Cleveland Center Car park
by billygang » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:12 pm
The reason the council is selling off car parks is because they want us to use the substandard bus service. I use the Sainsbury's car park if I'm only going to be 2 hours, Just before the time runs out I pop in the shop spend 5 pds and get my money back. If I am going to be longer I park in the 1 pd car park at Cannon park.
billygang

by richie2007 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:48 am
The simple answer is don't go there! Go shopping at Teesside Park, go to Redcar, Stockton, anywhere else you can. When the car park is empty they'll cut the charges.
richie2007

by CW » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:13 pm
Still council car parks at Capt Cook Square and over the A66 aren't there?
CW
by rodgercave » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:34 pm
So, OP, what is the problem?

Do you want to use the car parking space for longer than you have paid for? How is that reasonable/fair?

Sounds like whinging for whinging's sake to me.

RC
rodgercave

by PaddyWaddell » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:36 pm
JAJ has demonstrated here quite admirably his/her ignorance in spelling simple words. CentRE.

Stop relying on your spell checker.

And if people want to have babies, and the associated 'people carriers', and then clutter up the pavements and shopping areas with pushchairs (or scummy-buggies as they are called if the mothers are teenage, fat, smoking, on the dole, fake tanned, with ADHD-ridden kids called Connor/Kyle/ Liam/Reece/Callum/Chantelle/Leah/Ashleigh etc) then I have no sympathy and they should pay to park the same as the rest of us.

But then again, if you are such a parent with a child who will be on an ASBO by the time they're 10, then you'll probably be on the dole and have sufficient disposable income that you can afford to get a taxi everywhere, so parking isn't an issue.

JAJ, get real and stop being stupid.
PaddyWaddell

by billygang » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:53 pm
JAJ has a point, what happens in the next few months when traffic increases and there are a shortage of car parking spaces. When I go with the wheelchair I park in the Hill St Car Park and last year on several occassions leading up to Christmas I had to wait over half an hour to get into the car park. And during the week on school holidays when I have gone to the council car park near cineworld it is full because all the workers park there.
billygang

by TinTin » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:31 am
PaddyWaddell wrote:JAJ has demonstrated here quite admirably his/her ignorance in spelling simple words. CentRE.

Stop relying on your spell checker.

And if people want to have babies, and the associated 'people carriers', and then clutter up the pavements and shopping areas with pushchairs (or scummy-buggies as they are called if the mothers are teenage, fat, smoking, on the dole, fake tanned, with ADHD-ridden kids called Connor/Kyle/ Liam/Reece/Callum/Chantelle/Leah/Ashleigh etc) then I have no sympathy and they should pay to park the same as the rest of us.

But then again, if you are such a parent with a child who will be on an ASBO by the time they're 10, then you'll probably be on the dole and have sufficient disposable income that you can afford to get a taxi everywhere, so parking isn't an issue.

JAJ, get real and stop being stupid.

Paddy I dont know where to start,

I think that your outburst was a disgrace and totally uncalled for you inconsiderate clown
You know when you are good when you are invited to be a member of the Elite Forum
TinTin

by IWilson » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:58 am
Well said Rodger and Paddy.
But who's OP?
IWilson

by ANARCHY » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:06 pm
Why do they sell off local services?
ANARCHY

by JohnR » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:39 pm
ANARCHY wrote:Why do they sell off local services?

Is it to buy flowers for the chavs to take home?

JohnR

by rodgercave » Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:39 pm
OP = Original Poster

RC
rodgercave

by alb » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:29 pm
Middlesbrough council received 5.6m.pounds for the sale of the mall car park,the parking fees go up,disabled users now have to pay,and now the council are putting prices up in their remaining car parks.There is only one loser jaj and thats joe public,boycot the mall car park.

alb

by billygang » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:31 am
Or go on sunday, when it is free and the shopping centre is much quieter and pleasant.
billygang

by PaddyWaddell » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:27 am
Alb siad...."disabled users now have to pay".

Why the hell shouldn't they?

Provide disabled parking near the lifts/escalators/entrances I certainly agree with. But put parking meters nearby them too!
PaddyWaddell

by IWilson » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:18 am
billygang wrote:Or go on sunday, when it is free and the shopping centre is much quieter and pleasant.

The car park's are free on a Sunday are they? Then why is Grange Road near the old Jobcentre lined with parked cars on both sides, where it is supposed to be No Loading even? Must be 'cos they are too idle to walk from the car parks.

Time the wardens were out on a Sunday. And in the afternoon peak during the week, by which time they seem to have gone home and cars park all over the pavements on Borough Road.

IWilson

WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by PredatorDrone » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:23 pm
Another topic bites the dust
Coincidental with report button pushers
Note they are also hard at work again tonight
"The EU is the old Soviet Union dressed in Western clothes"
(President Gorbachev)

Some People Never See The Light - 'til It Shines Through Bullet Holes

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Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by WONDERWOMAN » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:10 pm
PredatorDrone wrote:Another topic bites the dust
Coincidental with report button pushers
Note they are also hard at work again tonight

Anybody else found it strange that nobody from the council has commented on these allegations. Its not like out mayor to keep his mouth shut! Is it possible that all afraid to commit themselves to print on this one!

Police appear to be cover their derrieres also stating , ' on the information provided by the council' . Well the council are hardly going to say o yes officer we have committed electoral fraud are they ? On second thoughts maybe they would because the mayor pleaded guilty to charges that he apparently didn't commit didn't he ?
The best method for estimating a ruler is to look at the men he has around him... Niccolo Machiavelli
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Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by PredatorDrone » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:34 pm
Wonderwoman
Anybody else found it strange that nobody from the council has commented on these allegations. Its not like out mayor to keep his mouth shut! Is it possible that all afraid to commit themselves to print on this one!

Police appear to be cover their derrieres also stating , ' on the information provided by the council' . Well the council are hardly going to say o yes officer we have committed electoral fraud are they ? On second thoughts maybe they would because the mayor pleaded guilty to charges that he apparently didn't commit didn't he ?

Which reflects the position and the question I put just before the topic was pulled

MBCs electoral organisers and counting are going to say - - - Bart wise - - - It wasnt me

And the investigators saying - - -

Thats ok Guv, MBC Electoral Control says its all ok - - - so no need to **** - - - all is well - - - just drop it.
Aye ok then - no probs
"The EU is the old Soviet Union dressed in Western clothes"
(President Gorbachev)

Some People Never See The Light - 'til It Shines Through Bullet Holes

PredatorDrone

Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by B26354 » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:37 pm
In left world a newspaper accused of a crime cannot investigate itself, it would be a whitewash, that newspaper switching political allegiance has nothing to do wth the investigation into crimes that were first exposed nearly 4 years ago, but whilst the lefts massers were in government and getting the support of that papers owners they were quite happy to bury it

But a left wing council can investigate claims of election irregularities that would have been committed by that councils employees and vested interest political groups

I see, nice to have it clarified.
Not that it needed to be
B26354

Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by WONDERWOMAN » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:51 pm
Police fail to say what their investigation entailed. A quick chat with Richard Long maybe?
The best method for estimating a ruler is to look at the men he has around him... Niccolo Machiavelli
WONDERWOMAN

Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by PredatorDrone » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:59 pm
Wonderwoman
Police fail to say what their investigation entailed. A quick chat with Richard Long maybe?

B26354
In left world a newspaper accused of a crime cannot investigate itself, it would be a whitewash, that newspaper switching political allegiance has nothing to do wth the investigation into crimes that were first exposed nearly 4 years ago, but whilst the lefts massers were in government and getting the support of that papers owners they were quite happy to bury it

But a left wing council can investigate claims of election irregularities that would have been committed by that councils employees and vested interest political groups

I see, nice to have it clarified.
Not that it needed to be
Take care the reported topics/post are in full thrudge
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(President Gorbachev)

Some People Never See The Light - 'til It Shines Through Bullet Holes

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Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by imagica » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:50 am
PredatorDrone wrote:Another topic bites the dust
Coincidental with report button pushers
Note they are also hard at work again tonight
You appear to be strangely tacit when it comes to the '40,000 Homeless' thread disappearing. I wonder why.
imagica

Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by alb » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:32 am
There are that many threads getting pulled on a daily basis,it's hard to keep track.
Cannon street,lest we forget.
http://www.newportmiddlesbrough.co.uk/
alb

Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by imagica » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:12 pm
alb wrote:There are that many threads getting pulled on a daily basis,it's hard to keep track.
Yep, must be at least two a week. Who could ever hope to keep a track of that?
imagica

Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by PredatorDrone » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:04 pm
Imagica
You appear to be strangely tacit when it comes to the '40,000 Homeless' thread disappearing. I wonder why.
I'm not tacit about anything - - - your view - - - egotistical

I would rather see no topics pulled - - - posts yes - - - if they dont meet T & C but that is not the way is it Imagica
Yep, must be at least two a week. Who could ever hope to keep a track of that?
My money is on you keeping track of them amongst other things or trying to that is
Graphics indeed
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(President Gorbachev)

Some People Never See The Light - 'til It Shines Through Bullet Holes

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Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by StGeorge1 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:59 pm
3 guesses !!!
Desperate times call for desperate measures …..
Algernon Sidney said ''God helps those who help themselves" …
Sidney wrote: I had from my youth endeavoured to uphold the common rights of mankind, the laws of this land, and the true Protestant religion, against corrupt principles, arbitrary power, and Popery … for those interested in Sydney,he was the English Whig politician, born 1622, died1683, who was executed for allegedly plotting to overthrow the government of King Charles II (ruled 1660–85).

For evil to prevail it only takes good people to do nothing !
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Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by PredatorDrone » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:11 pm
Same way as the others - - -

Reporting so far

19:57 - 19:58 - 20:03

Though Imagica sees using a forum facility as "snooping"
I note others view that part of the forum too - - - all "snooping" as Imagica puts it
I wonder why it is there
"The EU is the old Soviet Union dressed in Western clothes"
(President Gorbachev)

Some People Never See The Light - 'til It Shines Through Bullet Holes

PredatorDrone

Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by WONDERWOMAN » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:25 pm
So news is MBC have admitted figures published on their website in relation to the mayoral result were incorrect and have apparently since been rectified.

The initial figures provided showed over 500 missing votes and meant that Mallon did not get over 50% on the first count.

The council said one of the figures was wrong and made an adjustment. Mmmmmmmm. No explanation given other than clerical error. You just couldn't make it up
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Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by Marigold » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:40 pm
Does that mean a re-run?
re-count and etc etc
How did 500 votes go missing with a count as close as it was, the effect could be extremely significant.
Marigold

Re: WHERE HAS THE ELECTORAL FRAUD TOPIC GONE
by WONDERWOMAN » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:49 pm
Marigold wrote:Does that mean a re-run?
re-count and etc etc
How did 500 votes go missing with a count as close as it was, the effect could be extremely significant.

Well it should be but the council say that they made a clerical error with the figures . If it was a mistake it means, somebody put the figures together, it was signed off for print, it was printed, the print was checked, it was put online , yet now this discrepancy has been highlighted there has been a clerical error.

The figure they have adjusted in turn means the turn out figure was incorrect also but they fail to mention that one.

That Middlesbrough Council for you........
The best method for estimating a ruler is to look at the men he has around him... Niccolo Machiavelli

WONDERWOMAN